James,

So you upload 200 photos one by one in order to have them sorted by "most ancient"?

No, I use the bulk uploading form, but select the most recent photos first.

For example, if I went on a vacation last Monday through Friday, I'd select the last photo that I took on Friday and move "back in time" from there, then upload everything in one shot with the bulk uploading form (which sometimes misses one or two photos).

Dear James,

I understand enabling jUploader is something definitely gonna happen in the future.

However we both know that many photo space providers do provide online uploading methods which are capable of full, detailed photo customization at the same time.

I mean if someday I'm unable to use jUploadr on a certain computer(maybe JRE not installed, or other things go wrong), I can still count on zooomr's full-featured online uploading mechanism. I think this consistency is convenient and important for us.

As for the sort issue, your method is really a cool solution :). IMO photo stream itself doesn't include any "set" semantic, so I'll still expect the sort methods of smartset in the future.

Best regards

Infinity, the Zooomr web-based bulk uploader will remain online after the API and its support for jUploadr is activated. Kristopher is working on rewriting the uploading form, but I don't know if the new form will allow you to apply tags to individual photos.

This is funny. It seems to Search isn't working at all. If I try to search for a photo I know that I have "IMG_1978" it returns with no sesults, even when I change it to "Only Your Photos". What can be wrong here?

Try re-titling your photos. "IMG_1978" may be too generic of a name as there could be a large number of photos named "IMG_1978" here at Zooomr.

Try re-titling your photos. "IMG_1978" may be too generic of a name as there could be a large number of photos named "IMG_1978" here at Zooomr.

I've tried with other names too. It does not work.

Try giving it a day or so after re-titling your photos. Zooomr may only be indexing photos once every 24 hours, or some similar schedule.

The zipline is a pretty nifty idea, however, if you're following friends messages, you have no way of putting it into context if you didn't see the entire thread. All you see is your friend's posting. I think as well as the "reply" option added this evening, a link back to the original thread would be good.

Jangliss, It looks like it does show the entire thread all together. or maybe I misunderstood your point. That's very possible.

James and xodeus - I tried searching for one of my images that's been up since Dec 2006 by title and nothing came up. I think it only searches by labels.

Gary, I think you're right. Most of my photos feature all or part of the title as separate tags, but the few that don't also don't show up when I search for their titles. Thanks for pointing that out!

I agree jangliss, while this new functionality is a step in the right direction, when you only get your contacts' replies context is completely lost. Take for example the first entry on my zipline at the moment:

THawk: "opps, I mean, I like it."
THawk: "yeah man, looks pretty cool!"
Kris: "Very interesting."
THawk: "interesting."
Kris: "原宿に着いた。仕事しよう！"

I'm so lost. First of all it reads bottom to top, which is unnatural in my book. Second, I'm pretty sure I'm missing out on half the conversation because they're not on my contact list.

A better way to do it might be to have messages from my contacts appear, and also any replies to that message no matter whether the author of the reply is a contact of mine.

xodeus It looks like you are trying to search for the photo title, which is the filename unless you change it. Zooomr search is for tags/labels and will not search the photo title (filename) unless it was also a tag for the photo.

-Tom

Meatshoes, I agree that we should be able to view all replies regardless of account relationship, otherwise the conversations are very one-sided, but this could be a problem if the replier wanted to keep his/her comments private. Perhaps marking a reply as private could remove the whole thread from public view? As for being confused, just follow the little green arrows from bottom to top.

Fogview, thanks for clearing up the fog (hehe)! I'll add that to my list of answers.

Reading bottom to top is just so wierd...




What do you think of something like this? It could still go to the top of the zipline when a new reply is posted, the latest reply could be highlighted, or even every new reply since the last login.

If the thread got too long it could be "folded", only showing the original message and the few most recent replies. Click the expand link at the bottom to dynamically load and display all the replies.

I agree that the reply order seems wrong and the latest should be at the bottom of the "reply" chain. That's the way most blog comments work and how Pownce handles replies.

I think the idea that the whole chain moves to the top after a new reply is a good one.

-Tom

I would vote to show all reply messages to someone who is in your contact list. This would allow you to see other users you may find interesting and want to add as a contact.

Fogview: I think I can script something with Greasemonkey to stack the replies differently, but it's a big PITA because of the way Kris wraps them all in a big old blockquote and nothing else.

Can you help pass Kris a message? Can he wrap the individual replies in a div/span tag so that it's easier to get a handle on them in script?

Ping: You can email Kris at kris.tate+zooomr@gmail.com

Thanks Fogview, will drop Kris a mail.

Uploading does not work for me either (Windows XP SP2 + Firefox 2.0.0.6 or Internet Explorer 7).
Sometimes every tenth upload or so (of the same picture) does work, sometimes I'm fed up before.
EXIF did not work correctly the last time I was patient enough to upload some photos. Camera Information didn't make it, IPTC:Headline didn't make it, IPTC:Caption-Abstract didn't make it. This way it takes me about 20 minutes or so to upload a single photo completely. This is getting so frustrating!

Overkill, what version of the Flash player plugin do you have installed? Are you using any content filtering Firefox extensions (like AdBlock)? Are you using any privacy filters or security software (firewalls, automated data transfers scanners, content filters, etc.)? Have you tried to upload from a different computer and a different ISP?

Regarding the EXIF data, what kind of a camera are you using (Canon, Nikon, etc.)? Have you re-saved the photos before uploading? If so, with which application?

Overkill EXIF and IPTC information is not working for some cameras/software (i.e. my Nikon D40). It's on Zooomr list to be fixed later. Embedded Titles and Tags are not yet supported either.

Missing one or two pictures on multiple uploads is also a known problem with Zooomr.

-Tom

Overkill, what version of the Flash player plugin do you have installed? Are you using any content filtering Firefox extensions (like AdBlock)?

I'm using Flash Player 9.0.28.0. I am using FF content filtering addons (Adblock Plus, Flashblock), but no elements are filtered for Zooomr (my IE7 which is not using any filtering plugins doesn't work either). Disabling Flash and using the HTML upload form did work better for quite some time, but that's not helping any more.

Are you using any privacy filters or security software (firewalls, automated data transfers scanners, content filters, etc.)?

No.

Have you tried to upload from a different computer and a different ISP?

Different computer: yes
Different ISP: no (but I'm quite sure it wouldn't change the situation - it's a simple ADSL + DHCP connection without any fancy stuff/features/anything)

Regarding the EXIF data, what kind of a camera are you using (Canon, Nikon, etc.)?

Sony DSC-F717

Have you re-saved the photos before uploading? If so, with which application?

Yes. Paint Shop Pro which kicks out some EXIF data, fulla (of PanoTools) for lens distortion correction which generates a new image without any EXIF data. Afterwards I copy EXIF information from the unedited photo to the new generated image and add quite a bunch of EXIF/IPTC fields (IPTC:Headline, IPTC:Abstract-Caption, IPTC:Keywords, GPS data, EXIF:FocalPlaneResolution data) using ExifTool.

Embedded Titles and Tags are not yet supported either.

Tags are actually working for me (IPTC:Keywords). Even UTF-8 encoded.

overkill, try uploading again with Adblock and Flashblock disabled. They won't appear to be blocking anything, but they habe been kmown to interfere with the web-based uploader.

As for IE, stick with Firefox. At this time, there are too many known bugs with IE and Zooomr to justify using it if you already have Firefox.

Regarding your ISP, some ISPs block uploads based on file types, size, and total transfer size for "security reasons".

Regarding EXIF data, Paint Shop Pro may be re-saving it in a non-standard format or a format that Zoopmr does not yet recognize (as with most Canon and Nikon cameras). Have you tried uploading a photo fresh from the camera?

Try uploading again with Adblock and Flashblock disabled. [...] As for IE, stick with Firefox. [...]
Regarding your ISP, some ISPs block uploads based on file types, size, and total transfer size for "security reasons".

I disabled Adblock and Flashblock without success. I tried IE7 only for testing purposes. My ISP does not block any traffic either.

Regarding EXIF data, Paint Shop Pro may be re-saving it in a non-standard format or a format that Zooomr does not yet recognize (as with most Canon and Nikon cameras).

The JPEGs I upload are generated by fulla (the Paint Shop Pro files don't get uploaded). fulla is open source and uses libjpeg, so the files should be completely compliant to JPEG standard.


However I succeeded today. I uploaded from my notebook (WinXP/IE6) using my university's WLAN + the university's VPN. And now the strange thing: If I try to upload the exact same files from my place using the notebook via my ISP + the university VPN (so I am using the SAME connection like in the morning and my ISP cannot filter any traffic because it's encrypted), no photos are uploaded. The only difference is the speed of the connection (university WLAN (54 MBit/s) vs ADSL (128 kbit/s upstream)). So I'd put my money on a timeout or something similar at Zooomr's processing software, but i'm quite confused.

Regarding EXIF data, Paint Shop Pro may be re-saving it in a non-standard format or a format that Zoopmr does not yet recognize (as with most Canon and Nikon cameras)

I use a Canon 30D and my EXIF data is not read. I'm surprised Zooomr can't read the EXIF from Canon and Nikon cameras. They are the most popular DSLRs out there, and what most of my contacts use. Hopefully soon.

Overkill: Interesting observation about the speed issue and Zooomr. A number of users (including myself) have problems ranging from missing a few photo uploads (on a batch upload) to not being able to upload multiple photos at all. Some have reported that if they reduce the size of the photos they have greater success uploading the photos.

If speed (and time-outs at Zooomr's end) is the issue that would explain a number of things. I have a high speed boardband connection but I know it slows down at times based on what other users are doing on the network. If upload speed is the issue there would be times when some photos would not make it.

I also know that Zooomr doesn't display any error/warning messages when photos fail to upload so there could be problems and Zooomr is just ignoring the problem and continuing with the upload process.

This may also tie into the Linux upload problem if it affects the photo upload speed.

-Tom

Gary Hegenbart: Some Canon and Nikon cameras are supported by Zooomr. I know Nikon D80 and D200 are supported but my newer Nikon D40 is not.

Kris looked at the EXIF data from one of my photos and said that Nikon has changed how it formats the EXIF data. He said the EXIF specification is very loose and currently Zooomr wasn't handling all the possible formatting combinations. I think this code has changed from Zooomr Mark II.

-Tom

xodeus It looks like you are trying to search for the photo title, which is the filename unless you change it. Zooomr search is for tags/labels and will not search the photo title (filename) unless it was also a tag for the photo.

-Tom

Thank you, I just though that was possible. But nevermid... Anyone know when this site will open for jUploadr?

It seems I found one piece of the puzzle:
Zooomr Upload always fails without any notice if IPTC:Caption-Abstract (which becomes the picture's description here at Zooomr) contains UTF-8 encoded characters.
Coming from Germany a good part of my photo descriptions contain Umlauts (even though I use English descriptions most of the time, e. g. places, names, etc use UTF-8 encoded characters).
I'd really love to see this bug fixed because so many of us Zooomr users come from abroad and it is so annoying to delete the captions just to re-enter all of that information you already had in as soon as the photos are uploaded.

Proper picture pools - that is what I want.

2. Rotate Image Render Bugs.

does this refer to why my pictures won't stay rotated like they do on Flickr? I'm loving this site, but that's my only complaint. hopefully that's what the bug is referring to.

edit: it looks like the pictures I uploaded and rotated yesterday are now staying that way. hm

xodeus, uploads via jUploadr will be available as soon as Kristopher turns on the Zooomr API. Unfortunately, no ETA has been given.

Overkill, nice troubleshooting! I'm seeing parsing bugs like this all too often lately.

davidmxg, I believe that's on the to-do list.

abreaux, depending on your browser's cache, the photo may appear in its original orientation even after it has been rotated. If you're unsure, clear your browser's cache and check the photo again.

Tom mentioned earlier that the listed rotation bug was fixed, but Thomas hasn't updated the posted list for quite some time.

2. Rotate Image Render Bugs.

does this refer to why my pictures won't stay rotated like they do on Flickr? I'm loving this site, but that's my only complaint. hopefully that's what the bug is referring to.

This should be fixed. You just may need to refresh your screen to see it.

How do I change my openid url for login? Many thanks!

Prolific Programmer, see this thread for an answer:

http://www.zooomr.com/groups/help/discuss/989/

Since we're on the fourth page, I'm going to try to make a run-down of known bugs (organized by my priority, or course). What bothers me is that all of these worked before Zooomr was "upgraded" to Mark 3 and that new features continue to be added to Zooomr despite the existence of these bugs.

1. IE users cannot view GeoTagged photos.

2. Safari crashes on GeoTagged photos from heavily GeoTagged areas.

3. There is no account management interface for password changes, email settings, etc.

4. Photos that were damaged or lost during the "upgrade" to Mark 3 have not been recovered, despite promises to the contrary made months ago.

5. Most Linux users cannot upload photos to Zooomr.

6. Photos cannot be uploaded if international characters exist within the EXIF data.

7. Certain users cannot use SmartSets for inexplicable reasons which do no appear to be related to the user's browser or OS configuration.

8. Zooomr cannot read the EXIF data produced by certain Canon, Fuji, Kodak, Nikon, and Panasonic cameras, and by certain software applications.

9. Color Space information does not appear for all photos, including both pre- and post-Mark 3 photos.

10. The API for the jUploadr bulk uploading application has not been reactivated since the "upgrade".

11. There is no license management interface to choose a license for your photos.

12. Zooomr's search only searches tags, not titles or descriptions.

James, great job on the summary of the remaining major Zooomr bugs.

Here is my list of major features still needed for Zooomr:

1. Ability to bulk delete photos.

2. Ability to bulk tag photos.

3. Ability to create and edit a Profile page (with information about yourself and links to your other sites). Go here for a temporary solution: http://www.zooomr.com/groups/help/discuss/792/

4. Ability to arrange the order of photos in a set. I like the idea of SmartSets but don't see how you could create photos in a fixed order because of the dynamic nature of the sets. Maybe we also need a way to create normal Sets where you manually add and rearrange photos.

5. Ability to see Activity on your own photos (commented photos; number of views and your top viewed pictures). I know you can view your photo page and select "Sort by Awesomeness" which shows your most popular photos but you can't see the number of views without going to the photo page.

6. Need a slideshow viewer. Users will look at someone's SmartSet (or their own) and click on one of the photos and get confused because they have navigated away from the set of photos they were viewing. Zooomr does offer the LightBox feature but I don't think many users know it's there (click on the lower left corner of a photo to activate it). Adding a SlideShow/LightBox button on the photo page would make it easier to view all the photos on that page.

Flickr makes it easier because they offer the ability to step through the photos in a set, one by one. This becomes more important for SmartSets because the photos may not all come from the same user. Currently, LightBox is the only way to view these photos without leaving the SmartSet page.

Tom, thanks for the approval and the link from your Zipline. That's a great post of missing features too. I'll refer to it from now on.

On a less than happy note, Thomas Hawk just announced via Pownce that Kristopher improved search so that "now you can search your photos, everyone's photos or your social circle's photos" and improved Zipline so "now you can see who your friends are adding [as contacts]".

That's just great, more new features while the list of critical bugs goes on. Over a year ago, I discontinued my blog's gallery saying, "I had to remove the old gallery due to browser compatibility issues." Well, guess what? Now, IE users can't view my photos and Safari crashes for over half of them (see bugs 1 and 2 above), all because I'm using GeoTags, the feature that gave Zooomr its fame in the first place.

It's coming down to the point where I may need to look for an alternative to Zooomr. I'll never go back to Flickr after what they did to my paid account, but this is getting to be ridiculous.

Kristopher, please stop developing new features and start focussing on the critical bugs.

Is jUploadr working now

and does anybody have a stable link to download it straight from because everytime I try it wont download properly

No, Zooomr's API for jUploadr has not been reactivated yet. It's just one of the many useful features that has been missing since the "upgrade" to Mark 3.

See the rest of the known serious bugs and missing features just a few replies above this.

3. Open API. Flickr to Zooomr importer.

when this happens i will rejoice forevermore.

I can't wait to see what exciting stuff they are rolling out next

A fully open API would be really nice. Now, if only Kristopher would fix the existing critical bugs so that I could actually enjoy using such a feature here.

I see Fogview's comment above:
Missing one or two pictures on multiple uploads is also a known problem with Zooomr.

I've recently tried uploading approx 70 photos but only the last 13 photos were added to my stream. I've since tried uploading much smaller numbers of photos (in some cases, just 1) but no photos are being added to my stream.

Firefox 2, Flash 9 on Vista.

Anyone having similar issues?

Thanks...

I've yet to have an upload fail, but I uploaded six or seven photos last night and when they finished I wasn't forwarded to my photos page. Not a huge deal, I just click "You" and they were there.

Usually with 3-4 photos it's fine.
WinXP Pro, Firefox, Flash 9.

I have noticed my photos don't have the new color space widget on the right. Even ones I uploaded last night.

davidpclarke: Overkill observed that the upload issue could be a speed/server time-out problem. The thought is Zooomr is timing-out on some photos because of speed issues on the sending end. I talk about it more here: http://www.zooomr.com/groups/help/discuss/623/page4/#post7848

It would be nice if we could confirm this with users that have access to different speed Internet connections to see if it affects the number of photos they can upload.

Gary Most of my photos don't have Color Information either. It seems the ones that do are the most colorful ones leading me to believe it only shows up when the photo has well defined foreground and background colors.

Most of my photos have been uploaded after the Mark III release.

-Tom